When the Mythology is Stripped Away,
What Facts Remain?
The Truth (?) Behind the Craft, the Bodies, and the Metal
Presented by Guy Malone
DVDs of this lecture available at http://www.TheInvisibleBattle.com
Thank you Peter for that introduction. And thank you Robert, and Renee, for inviting me to present this alternative and perhaps controversial *possible* explanation of the 1947 Roswell Incident. As we all probably know from the lecture description, I'm going to be presenting some new information for your consideration that I believe strongly argues that the Roswell crash was NOT the result of an alien spacecraft crashing in the desert. I know that goes against what you probably already believe, before you even decided to travel to Roswell this year, so I'm appreciative of the fact that anyone even came here today to give this particular presentation a fair hearing. Seriously, thank you all just for being here.
What I'm sharing with you today is simply a theory of course.. I'm boiling down and introducing you to the research of many other people, based on findings that haven't been that well-known for very long, which all add up to a very challenging interpretation of the events of July 1947. In a perfect world, you'll listen objectively to what I'm positing today, and you'll walk out of here making a personal decision as to whether anything I've said here has any real merit or not.
"General Ramey Says Disk is Weather Balloon"
"An examination by the army revealed last night that
mysterious objects found on a lonely New Mexico ranch was
a harmless high-altitude weather balloon"
Roswell Daily Record July 9, 1947
This same information that I'm presenting will also lend itself to your understanding of why I certainly do not believe that the Roswell Incident was a simply a weather balloon, as the Army Air Force stated in July 1947, NOR do I believe that the Air Force's 1997 Project Mogul Balloon explanation from their "Case Closed" book - their official "final word" on the Roswell Incident - has very much resemblance to the truth either.
"Roswell Report - Case Closed"
United State Air Force, June 1997
I apologize to any that might be completely unfamiliar with all of these differing versions of official stories the U.S. government has released, but I will say - in complete agreement I think with all of the researchers you'll have access to in Roswell this weekend - that both the 1947 and 1997 "official" explanations are full of holes enough to be classified as ridiculous fabrications. Of the 3 main arguments in the ufology field pertaining to what really happened here all those years ago - the alien hypothesis, the weather balloon hypothesis, and the Top-Secret Mogul balloon hypothesis - if those were the only three possible explanations, I'd say that the alien hypothesis is the one that best fits the factual data pertaining to what we know about July 1947 in fact.
However, there's now a fourth hypothesis on the table that's been gaining a lot of ground in the last decade. I'm one of many people out there presenting some version of this newer theory. In 2002, I published a condensed version online at the domain RoswellUFOcrash.com and I'm actually both honored and at times astonished to say that if you go online to Google.com and type in "Roswell UFO Crash"
Or even just "Roswell UFO" my writing on this subject has been the Number 1 or Number 2 match on Google for over 5 years now - constantly battling it out with Wikipedia, which is hard to beat. But you can at least see that a search of that prominence means that this view is becoming influential, to say the least.
[Skip==================2nd Image - search results for "roswell ufo" moved to bottom of page
Number 2, only to Wikipedia .. and just above the very famous location downtown if you look closely, who come in at number 3. So you can see there's some reasons that perhaps I'm presenting this lecture here, by the way, instead of at the UFO Museum.
My site is now actually number two for both of those search terms, Wikipedia being number one for both of them now. No shame in that I suppose. You'll notice my subtitles include the terms Nazi UFOs and Operation Paperclip, and I'm of course tipping my hand a bit to display those to you now, but I do that partly to tell you right up front that most of what I'm sharing today you can easily find out and verify for yourself, if you know the right search terms to begin with. None of this is "classified top secret" anymore, but it was in the 1940s and 50s, thru the 90's even. From the information that's declassified now, it just becomes a matter of putting the right puzzle pieces together.
Many of you might know by the way, that my original calling to this field really had nothing to do with uncovering the details of the Roswell Incident itself. I'm a counter-cult researcher, and my specialty actually has more to do with presenting orthodox theological, or biblically sound, material to people who have turned their belief in alien life into a religious system in itself. That of course isn't my topic today - but today's presentation will include little to none of anything you might deem religious, or doctrinal from me. I just thought that you might find that useful to know up front, simply because someone out there is going to say that the only reason I'm motivated to popularize this view has something to do with my religious beliefs. You might be partly right in that, and honestly I think all researchers' conclusions are at least partially shaded by whatever lens, or worldview, they're looking through. It's unavoidable really.
But as some of you know, from 2000 - 2005 I did also run a storefront downtown promoting my religious views.. and so I was asked all the time in person "Well then, what do you think really happened in 1947???" And like 99% of everybody else who lives here... I didn't really have a good answer. But I was putting myself in the position of being asked all the time. And I definitely did believe that something crashed, and I believed, for the most part, the testimonies I'd hear from townspeople that had first or second-hand knowledge of the strict military cover-up that did in fact ensue here, in 1947 - there was simply no denying that. And only once I was finally pointed in a particular direction, I found the most compelling research ridiculously easy to find, mostly online. You really can look all this up yourself these days.
But once I did have this view worked out, I began to also promote it from my storefront of course, as an alternative to what was being popularized here in Roswell, right across the street from the UFO Museum in fact. Here's a picture
from back in the day... You see the red banner.. "There's 2 sides to every story..." If you look closely you can see the UFO Museum's signs reflected in the front window. So yeh, everybody who visited there, and everybody who worked there, had this view staring them down for a couple of years. There's actually probably more than one reason I've never been invited to speak at the UFO Museum - and I'm sure this one's in the Top 10.
(1) The Facts
(2) The Official Roswell Mythology
(3) Operation Paperclip, Nazi UFOs
(4) The Bodies, The Two Witnesses
& The False Prophets
Just like my lecture today, the website starts out with an overview of The Facts, and then what I've come to call "The Official Mythology" - the popularized version of The Roswell Incident. The difference is that I'm going to take a crack at shedding some new light on what you likely already believe are "the basics". I'm not going to be nitpicking these details apart by any means - "debunking" is not my tactic here at all - I'm mainly going to be sharing with you a lot of unknown details about what our government and our military - in highly compartmentalized ways, kind of like The Manhattan Project - were, IN FACT working on in 1947.
#5) The government has been lying to us about it ever since
Image: Wikipedia, Public Domain (Official U.S. government photo)
Operation Paperclip ...
The first time I saw this image I found it on NASA dot gov, swiped it, linked to it, and then the entire NASA page I linked to as my source disappeared. I have since learned about the handy "capture screenshot tool" that comes standard on all of our keyboards. ]
What you're looking at is a group of 104 German Scientists who were moved here, to Fort Bliss Texas and to White Sands Proving Grounds, New Mexico, and who were previously working on some very interesting advanced flying craft prototypes for Adolf Hitler in the closing years and months of World War 2. Google "Operation Paperclip" and start with the Wikipedia entry if you already don't believe me. Among those pictured, is Warner Von Braun, who went on to head NASA's rocket program and take us to the Moon. Historians now tell us that had Hitler gotten these working flying machines into mass production - photos of which I'll be sharing here very shortly - before the Allies successfully invaded Germany, that we would have lost the war.
[Many of these men were in fact Nazi war criminals guilty of crimes against humanity who were working on some very interesting advanced flying craft prototypes for Adolf Hitler in the closing years and months of World War 2, as well as using slave labor camps to build their rockets, bombs, and more experimental aircraft. Historians now tell us that had Hitler gotten these working flying machines into mass production - photos of which I'll be sharing here very shortly - before the Allies successfully invaded Germany, that we would have lost the war. Some of you have perhaps seen the Discovery and History Channel documentaries on this very subject that have cropped up only very recently.]
From the back cover:
"As the Allies moved into Germany, the full scale of Nazi research achievements burst upon them ... They grabbed weapons, instruments, tools, files and above all scientists." The London Observer
The earliest and perhaps definitive books on this subject of the classified program that brought these men to the U.S. are The Paperclip Conspiracy & Secret Agenda. This is Tom Bower's 1987 book "The Paperclip Conspiracy : The Hunt for the Nazi Scientists"
[The review by the London Observer reads on the back
(Read the back of the book)]
Linda Hunt's 1991 book Secret Agenda. In the opening page she says "This book would not exist if it were not for the Freedom of Information Act." Before 911, a LOT of now famous documents have been released to the UFO research field via this act, but Linda Hunt describes in the opening of this book that the government fought her so hard on the documents that she was digging up, that they actually presented her a bill for $239,000 in what they called "search fees". You think they were trying to scare her off maybe?
[(Rich, Dennis, Don...? (are any of you here now?) You use the Freedom of Information Act a lot in your research don't you? You ever get a bill like that from the government for using it? Would it kind of scare the crap out of if you did? Linda Hunt had some good attorneys, but suffice to say, some people did not want this information getting out. I link to the pdf form of this book for you by the way for those who might be interested. ]
The gist of all this is that when the US and Allied troops were invading all of Hitler's secret bases in the closing months of the war, they stumbled across such amazing technology that they wanted it. So these scientists were secretly brought into the United States under a media black-out program that "paper-clipped" fake bios on top of their Nazi crimes dossiers, because President Truman was personally against putting certified Nazi criminals on the American payroll.
PP=== Don't read
Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found “to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism.”
Said restriction would have rendered
ineligible most of the scientists the JIOA (Joint Intelligence
Objectives Agency) had identified for recruitment, among them rocket
scientists Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph, and the
physician Hubertus Strughold, each earlier classified as a
Thus began Project Paperclip...
The article mentions some details of von Braun's associates - also brought into the U.S.
Now I want you to see this picture which the BBC article includes, and take special note of the reference to one of the captured flying craft, The Horten Ho 229, which I've underlined in red.
Part of the popular "mythology" associated with the Roswell Incident that many people have published is that our stealth aircraft, namely the B-2 bomber, was back-engineered from the Roswell 1947 crashed ship. It's now known that's not accurate
(READ 1 PARA, beginning at "With it radar absorbing wings..." The end of the next paragraph actually refers to the B-2 Stealth bomber as a "modern clone" of the Horten, and the caption under the photo reads The Stealth Bomber: Based on a 1944 German design.)
Here is one of the oldest images of the Horten Ho 229
from Germany, 1944. Again, this is from Wikipedia, and I've got more pictures to share with you soon . My point is simply to make you ask and answer the question for yourself .. Seeing this, would you argue that the B-2 Bomber that Philip Corso and others believe was reverse-engineered from the Roswell crash, was back-engineered from alien technology - or perhaps from German technology?
This second article, published November 16th 2005
The author Ms Gibson here lays out - beautifully - the rationale for Operation Paperclip, and the fact that these two separate articles came out in November 2005 kind of indicates that whoever controls the press these days is kind of "okay" with the American people finding out about the Nazis working on US soil - 60 years after the fact. But are you beginning to understand now, that under no circumstances could that information be let out in 1947? What if you had just lost two sons fighting the Nazi's - how would you react in 1947 to finding out they're living in the United States and eating well on your tax dollars? All that I have just read introduces a topic I'll be getting back to later... that these Paperclip scientists were not only brilliant when it comes to technology, but were both adept at and willing to perform experiments on human test subjects, specifically, she said, "to determine what pilots could withstand." I'm just warning you now that this lecture is going to take a very dark turn shortly.
So back to the Horten vehicle... Here's a few more pictures...
Here's a modern re-creation made for a film documentary.
This 2009 National Geographic article documents the re-creation of a Horten noting, as many other sources likewise state, that mass production of these things could have changed the course of the war. Wikipedia states that these jets exceeded 600 miles per hour - way faster than anything The U.S. had, and flew to almost 50,000 feet. - Here's the close-up
These last pictures are from a discussion thread and I can't tell you where these were gathered from as they don't cite sources, but they're really good pictures...
This might be a spoof, I can't tell, but the caption reads Indiana Jones Titanium from Hasbro - I don't know if the poster was trying to get people to go to something else that the image poster created, or if THIS is what he created. I apologize if this one is not an authentic 1940's era photo tho
This appears to be the one manufactured in the USA by Northrop
I wish I could cite you the source for this picture, the poster didn't say anything about it.
Okay so we know Germany had these vehicles in prototype production prior to the end of World War 2. That's a fact, and anybody who wants to do this research themselves will find that they can't dispute me so far. BUT does that necessarily mean that the American military had them also? And what's all this got to do with Roswell, right? Here's some documentation from before 2005
This is a January 1946 document from Mike Heiser's website. It originates from - of all places - looking at the top right, Wright Field, Dayton Ohio .. Again, the Wright Field connection, where the Roswell debris wound up. I've added the red text so you can read the small type of the report's title - .. It's unclassified now, but this is the actual cover page of a document that proves the United States "Air Corp" had a working knowledge of the German Flying Wings Designed by the Horten Brothers, and was authorized to begin work on them here in the US.
And if that's not enough evidence for you
here's a picture of one being unloaded from
a train in August of 1945 in the USA. The Wikipedia caption reads
The Wikipedia entry for the Horten ends by saying
Why is this important for our purposes today? Well for two reasons .. #1 If you didn't work for Northrop Corporation or for The United States military compartment that brought this aircraft over here from Germany in August 1945 - or if you weren't privy to Operation Paperclip in the mid-1940's - odds are, you didn't know that a craft of this type (or many others which I'll show you in a moment) even existed, much less had made it to the United States for R&D purposes.
This is important #2 for this reason -
Who knows who this is? Right, Kenneth Arnold - the pilot who
in June 1947 said that he witnessed some amazingly fast airships over Mt Ranier
in Washington State. He described their flight characteristics as "skipping like
a saucer" and as a result, in June 1947 The Press first coined the phrase
Which is actually wrong, as many researchers today often point out. Ken Arnold said it skipped "like a saucer" NOT that it looked like a saucer.
Okay please keep your eye on the screen real quick here.
Now that we know that these guys
were working on reproducing these craft
for American use, spread across these locations
Fort Bliss Texas
Wright Field Dayton Ohio
White Sands Proving Grounds New Mexico
who here would argue - or who here would NOW argue - that what Kenneth Arnold described in 1947
was really from outer space?
Some people that are really researched on the Roswell Incident already know what I'm about to share, and I think it will interest many of you to know that the craft recovered around the Roswell region in 1947 was not actually round in shape, as you may have pictured in your head due to cartoon artwork or Hollywood renditions. Most of us know that the 2 main books on Roswell that got everybody's attention were "Crash at Corona" by Don Berlinger and Stanton Friedman of course, who is speaking at the UFO Museum - and "The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell" by Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt. Don Schmitt also speaks at the UFO Museum almost every year, and of course he and Stanton Friedman propose the extra-terrestrial explanation.
You may have noticed when you came in the poster I have of drawings by Frank Kaufman, who was at least in the Roswell Army Air Base's 509th Bomb Squad, and claimed to have been involved in the clean-up of the wreckage, and the bodies. That poster that he drew is his alleged first-hand eye-witness testimony of what he cleaned up, or at least saw, and you may have noticed that the version of the craft he drew is also not round, but more "manta" shaped than circular. The book "UFO Crash at Roswell" depends largely on Frank Kaufmann's testimony, and also notes in the caption under Don Schmitt's drawing based on Kaufmann AND OTHER witnesses' testimony, that "The craft that crashed at Roswell was long and narrow; it was not a flying saucer." Altho nowdays Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt have both stated that they no longer affirm Kaufmann's complete testimony, if any of it, the book based on it is of course still out there influencing young minds today. You'd have to review their newest materials to find that out - But they believed him largely because Walter Haut recommended him.
But here are two more of Kaufmann's drawings of the craft he allegedly saw published in the book "Roswell 1947 : I Was There" by Robert Shirkey.
Robert Shirkey is about the ONLY original Roswell witness nobody has successfully debunked by the way. Altho Walter Haut is definitely credible at least in the fact of his original claim that he carried the Roswell press release that is famous world-wide. That much is certainly true. Some of his later quotes and especially the affidavits published after his death do sometimes contradict each other, and his original statements, and many Roswell researchers have detailed those inconsistencies. I'm not going to here. (But see here http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/Haut.htm )
All we know for sure is that witnesses are inconsistent on whether the Roswell crashed ship was round, or more triangular, or manta-shaped. Since it's also argued that the idea for the B-2 bomber came from the Roswell crash, that kind of argues against the "round" or "disc" hypothesis, and I've already submitted the 1944 Horten to you. But we do know FOR SURE that the U.S. had scientists here working from German designs. While we do have real pictures of the Horten, there's yet another German prototype vehicle "the Lippisch P 13"
Lippisch P 13.B
that we only have sketches and models of, because while the Nazis were starting to work on the prototype, the war ended before anyone can verify one was actually built, and then Operation Paperclip grabbed up all the existing sketches, prototypes, and scientists they could relating to these craft.
Lippisch P 13.B
Here's a modern model of what the Lippisch, if built, would have looked like.
So, German aircraft scientists who were designing and testing both The Horten and arguably The Lippisch were now doing so in the U.S. beginning in 1945. ....So whaddaya think?
Wikipedia reads "Designed in 1944, the Lippisch..."
Either it's reallllly amazing just how close those Germans got in World War 2 to designing ships that look amazingly like extraterrestrial spacecraft from other worlds - OR - perhaps there's another explanation. Maybe the German scientists who designed the Hortens and The Lippisch in 1944, given 2 years in U.S. secret labs with a blank check from Uncle Sam, maybe developed a spiffier model by July 1947?
I think you can see where this lecture is really going by now .. There's a part of me that really just wants to sit down now, thinking maybe I should just quit while I haven't really offended anyone, yet, with this man-made explanation of the Roswell craft. But, if I do that, eventually most people will bounce back to questions about "the bodies" and the fantastic metal found at the crash site, right? I certainly did, so, I will be getting to those details soon. Just keep in mind, I have introduced the topic of human experimentation by Nazi war criminals, on American citizens, to this discussion, already, for a reason. This only gets worse folks.
[Just for the purposes of this presentation I've focused on the Horten model flying wing craft, largely because of the availability of actual images - opposed to drawings - but]
If one wants to argue that the recovered Roswell craft was round, well today, there is a whole stream of research regarding other much more advanced models that weren't as similar to our modern stealth fighters, but were in fact round, or disc shaped. There's not time today to give you an exhaustive look at some of these things, and actual photos are quite rare, so just to start you on your own research if you're so inclined, here's a few of the books you might want to be aware of.
Hitler's Flying Saucers ... Those are photos btw. The author of this book appears in a History Channel video I'm going to play for you shortly.
Projekt UFO from the 90's which has just now been reprinted with this snazzy new cover
Now this book and the sequel by the same author are really making some waves right now.
Okay that's some pretty amazing imagery and information for a three minute video, right? BUT let me be the first to say "Don't believe everything you see on the History Channel" okay? I don't want to undermine a premise that I myself put out, but to end this portion let me share a more balanced thought with you from a Burlington News article on "Hitler's UFOs" says
I think you'll agree that knowing the U.S., The Soviet Union, Argentina, and arguably a few other countries - Christine Gibson's article listed 6 - all got pieces of this new aerial technology and at least SOME scientists skilled at making them, knowing that begins to shed a whole new light on the entire history of the flying saucer movement, I'd argue. It's not my purpose here today so much to say it's ALL man-made, but like I said, I played that video to let your mind go where it will with the topic, and draw your own conclusions. Keep in mind the books I just showed you, and this quote from Christine Gibson
Aside from the countries mentioned just in her article, From the closing of the Man-Made UFOs book I showed you
MMUFOs p 369-370]
So in closing out the Nazi UFO portion of my website, I summarize it this way.
So with this new information in your head, perhaps for the first time for many of you, my question becomes, "Where do you think the craft recovered in 1947 most likely came from?" Mars? Alpha Centauri? The Pleadian Star system? I'm not here to tell you what to think, just to maybe make you think about this topic in a way that you probably never have before. And there's nothing wrong with that, because most the information that I've presented today, wasn't readily available to you perhaps until just now.
I would like to say before switching gears that to so many that I've shared this view with just conversationally over the years - without powerpoints! - once this paradigm is made plain, the matter is usually settled for people who AREN'T die-hard Roswell alien believers that this entire incident was indeed a man-made event. To most, the details become academic, and pretty inconsequential. The rest of the stuff, like the bodies and the strange metals, are just details that probably have an earth-bound explanation as well.
I don't know where you personally are in all that tho, and because I had the same questions - about these other details - I'm now going to offer some possible answers. The disclaimer is that I'm going a bit more into more speculative realms from here. My point is not to try to offer a smoking gun - because there isn't one. I'm simply asking the question with you, "If the craft can be argued as having a non extra-terrestrial origin, what possible earthly origins could there be for the metal, and the bodies?"
I'll go right on ahead and take the more controversial one first - the bodies, because after all that was my first question. ]
Switching gears, the obvious question becomes, "What about the bodies?" I'll apologize in advance, because I know this is going to offend some of you. That's not my intent, but getting to the truth is, and I just let the research take me where it would, even though it turned out to be pretty dark.
In the previous section on Operation Paperclip, I introduced the ugly fact that human experimentation was part of what the Nazi scientists were guilty of before they came here. Linked from my website, there's an article on the George Washington University's National Securities Archive page. And unlike the Nasa.gov and army.mil pages, that I used to link to to support my theory, GWU has never removed this page since I started linking to it - YAY!
It's just a plain text document that matter-of-factly discusses the Paperclip scientists, as well as the radiation experiments they conducted IN the United States, AFTER they were here, AT the Air Force School of Aviation Medicine. It's addressed to
and it reads in part
It continues elsewhere
"A number of military research sites recruited Paperclip scientists with backgrounds in aeromedicine and radiobiology... The portfolio of experiments at the U.S. Air Force's School of Aviation Medicine... included total-body irradiation and space medicine."
Now this is sad, and in some effect, damning. It's a sad but true part of our American history that our government has at many times experimented on humans without their knowledge or consent. There are many lists of such acts online. Here's one from Rense.com
1931 - injects human subjects with cancer cells and exposes American
soldiers AND CIVILIAN hospital patients to radiation
1932 - 200 black men are diagnosed with but never told they have Syphilis just so we could study the disease
1935 - We allowed a curable disease to wipe out portions of "poverty-ridden black populations"
1943 - US begins research on biological weapons
1944 - US Navy uses human subjects to tests gas masks by locking them inside a gas chamber filled with Mustard Gas
1945 - Operation Paperclip
1946 - Hospital patients used as human guinea pigs for medical experiments
1947 - Atomic Energy Commission begins administering intravenous doses of radiation to human subjects
1947 - LSD is tested on both military and civilians without their knowledge
You might find this hard to believe, but as recently as 1997, Senator and former astronaut John Glenn submitted a bill to congress to only finally protect Americans from being research subjects without their consent. Addressing Congress, he said (read only the red)
1997, John Glenn is recommending legislation that you and I have to be "informed" of any time the government wants experiment on us! This should be shocking to you. But it's a cold hard fact that the U.S. government - and frankly, anybody - had carte blanche to experiment on humans without their knowledge or consent because of some serious loopholes in the legal system that Senator Glenn pointed out in this speech. And that definitely includes the early days of the Cold War era, and the period between 1945 and July of 1947...
So, relating to Roswell, once you're not afraid to go where I don't think many Americans living in 1947 would have even dreamed of, there are definitely a few possible explanations for the reported bodies that have arisen. The most well-documented - which I'll share with you in just a moment - was proposed by well-known UFO researcher Nick Redfern in his 2005 book "Body Snatchers in the Desert : The Horrible Truth at the Heart of The Roswell Story."
I didn't know Nick well then I was writing my theory, much less that he was following some leads and working on a book about a man-made explanation of the Roswell Incident. But on my site I put forth a "total shot in the dark" hypothesis about the bodies.. and that being 2002, I don't remember exactly what inspired me to do this, but I was aware then somewhat that human experimentation occurred, and also that institutionalized people, those who wouldn't be as readily missed, were sometimes targets. I simply went to Google and based on what some prominent Roswell story-tellers claimed, I typed in "Symptoms: large bald head, big eyes..."
New Hope for Progeria http://current.com/news/89421213_new-hope-for-progeria-drug-for-rare-aging-disease.htm
And I learned for the first time, about progeria. And as I wrote on the website, I hope I've never been more wrong in my life.
"Children with Progeria usually have these features: dwarf, bald
head, pinched nose, large head with a small face, prominent eyes, and
"...results in rapid aging of children, beginning with growth failure during the first year of life that results in disproportionately small bodies given the size of their heads. The children are thin with baldness, wizened narrow faces, and old-appearing skin. Children with progeria develop early atherosclerosis. The average lifespan is the early teens..."
Source:MEDLINE plus Medical Encyclopedia
"Among the first symptoms to develop are: hair loss, disappearance of cheek fat with sharpening of facial features, and diminished growth. "As the children turn old within a remarkably short time, their change in appearance can be shocking. The head is disproportionally large and bald and the facial appearance is one of hollow cheeks with a tight skin, scanty eyebrows and eyelashes, a pointed nose and, frequently either crowded or missing teeth...
Excerpted from: Progeria - A Fight Against Time
But the math did kind of add up... Nazi's on U.S. soil, known for human experimentation, experimental craft, and a cold war to win...
Progeria victims was just the original line of thinking I posted in 2002, as a possible terrestrial explanation for the bodies. Nick Redfern and Mike Heiser have likewise postulated that the people in the crashed ship could have been other human unfortunates, like POWs or radiation victims, as other possible explanations. By the way, when Nick reviewed my website for me in 2002, he made the comment, that I posted - largely because I felt honored to have a positive review from someone of his stature -
Well apparently Nick looked into it a bit more, and it turns out that the
last chapter of his book I'll be quoting for you is actually titled "Progeria."
BUT this second paragraph here, it turns out, is the main thesis of his book.
I'm going to read from
[Dr Michael Heiser's summary and review of]
Nick's 2005 book in a moment, but first, just to get Dr Michael Heiser back in the picture, as he's the one that got me started on the Paperclip trail - altho I think I got him started on the progeria trail.
This is from his site, which starts by saying "The view taken in The Facade...."
That is an actual government picture by the way, but from a later date, not 1947. Reading from the second half, "The Facade argues..."
(Then) I'm going to have to skip reading from Mike's excellent summary of Nick Redfern's book, but I'm going to run through these powerpoints real quickly for those who want to freeze them on DVD
[Skip============ No offense to Mike if I'm wrong on this, but I think I gave him the progeria idea with my site when I just googled for symptoms - this particular page that I'm reading from is newer than his book. Mike, from this page, was my source for the 1946 Report Cover I showed earlier on the Horten Brothers crafts being known of by the Army Air Corp in 1946. That same document also appears in the back of Nick Redfern's book, in which he goes into some amazing documentation regarding the connection between radiation experiments done on humans - especially prisoners of war - but builds a paper trail that also leads to the Roswell Incident. For now I'll quote from Mike Heiser's review of Nick's book in fact
Mike ends with / goes on to continue with a very fair assessment of Stanton Friedman's review of Nick's book - which you can probably guess was less than favorable. Mike charitably points out that it's fair that someone who has invested so many years of his life into promoting one view would indeed need a little more documentation than Nick provided to completely overturn Friedman's alien view of course.
But what about you? Not everybody is as ardent in their belief that aliens crashed here as Stanton Friedman is, and quite honestly, I'm considering my target audience for this lecture the "undecided" category, not so much the true believers. I think it's a cinch that the craft can be argued as an earth-made vehicle... But let me read to you in Nick's words some documentation regarding the types of humans who - in general - were being experimented on in 1947 by the U.S. government.
SNATCHERS BOOK COVER
"One other critical piece of evidence officially links such conditions as progeria and dwarfism with the activities at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory and elsewhere in the summer of 1947...
"...November 3, 1947 issue of the Biology Division Bulletin of the Clinton National Laboratory..." pp 202-203
Reading just one paragraph from Nick's chapter, citing the November 1947 Biology Division Bulletin... (read circled para)
Now I'm not asking you if you 100% believe Nick's hypothesis about some of those kids playing into the Roswell incident, or my original progeria hypothesis that was postulated before Nick introduced radiation testing on human subjects of experimental nuclear-powered ships that were so new they needed balloons att'd to help them fly - as Mike's earlier picture also suggests. I'm not asking you if you believe Mike's hypothesis completely either. All that I'm asking, is "do you now believe that there COULD BE a - or any - terrestrial, earthly, explanations for the bodies that were reportedly found in 1947?"
The only images you've probably ever been exposed to of the "Roswell bodies" were based on something drawn third-hand, 46 years after the fact.
"At the time of the writing of the above
affidavit (AUGUST 7, 1991),
artist Walter Henn drew the following sketches under the direction of Glenn Dennis. The sketches are to depict the drawing allegedly made for Dennis by the nurse" http://www.ufologie.net/rw/w/glenndennis.htm
This 1991 drawing accompanies Glenn Dennis' affidavit of his participation in the Roswell Incident. At age 65, he is remembering what he claims an unidentified nurse drew for him, and Walter Henn drew these sketches based on what Glenn Dennis said he remembered in 1991of this unidentified nurse's 1947 sketch, which he says he lost.
Drawn third hand, 46 years later, that singular, debatable, image is the major source of almost all "Roswell Bodies" stories that you've most likely ever heard.
I'll also submit now for your consideration the drawings of Frank Kaufman, who was part of the 509th Army Air Base that handled and cleaned up the Roswell crash debris and bodies, altho there's no way of telling today how much of his testimony can be believed, unfortunately. You may have seen this artwork on display when you came in
This is what Frank Kaufmann drew to describe the bodies he claimed to have personally witnessed - this is NOT a third-hand drawing, but first-hand. After he died, Frank Kaufmann's overall testimony itself has finally been deemed as unreliable by Kevin Randle, who along with Don Schmitt distance themselves from his version of events. I just say that to remind you that every drawing of the Roswell bodies and ship that you've likely been exposed to is based on testimony that the researchers who originally published the drawings, themselves now dispute as inauthentic. America and the whole world is under a mistaken notion that I think I can fairly and accurately describe as "a modern mythology."
These images don't look particularly alien, I'd submit to you, but I also submit that no drawings of the alleged bodies are considered reliable by the majority of any published Roswell researchers. All we know is that they are pretty universally said to have large heads, and big eyes, and child-sized bodies.
See also Mickey, from the documentary "I am not a freak" 0:27 - 4:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llHgPR2wie8
Something like this, I'm afraid. I'm not going to cue this video by the way, don't worry. But, knowing that high-altitude and radiation tests were among the exact human experimentation tests being run all through the 1940's, AND that disfigured and so-called "undesirables" were among the favorite victims of such... with what you know today about what different world governments have done in the name of "science" and "research" - including the factor of employing Nazi scientists to carry out the dirty work... I'm simply posing the question to you, "Would you put it past them, to have put someone like this into an experimental craft, just to see what the effects on the human body would be of perhaps never before achieved altitudes and speeds? Or, "Would you put it past our government - now or then - to use someone like this to find out how much radiation a human body could safely absorb, assuming they're flying a craft with a brand-new, untested nuclear powered engine or something?" Why risk losing Chuck Yaegar when people like this are available, and allegedly expendable?
I'm sorry, I know this is supposed to be a festival, and this line of thought isn't very festive, I realize. But if what I'm sharing here today is anything close to the truth, it does kinda raise the question tho, what exactly are we "celebrating" in the first place?
"Is aliens the only possible explanation for any dead or dying bodies that might have been found at the 1947 crash site?" I'm sorry and kind of sick to my stomach to have to report to you that the answer is patently "No." There was a cold war going on, and apparently both sides felt that it had to be won at any cost.
I'm not asking you to buy any one particular line of reasoning 100%, I'm just asking you to answer for yourself - now that YOU know what people in 1947 - even in 1997, after the main books on the Roswell crash had been published - now that you know what they didn't know then. I've already been argued that the ship itself doesn't require a leap to alien spacecraft anymore to explain. So now I'm asking you to consider, "Do the reports of odd bodies require an alien explanation either?"
I'm almost out of time, so I'm going to plow through this exotic metal possible explanation for you. The "memory metal" that as many know, was described as being very tough, but if crumpled or bent would go back to it's original shape, and there was absolutely nothing like that that was known to exist at the time, right? ...Right?
There's much talk about all the marvels that were allegedly back-engineered from the Roswell crash - like the Stealth Bombers for instance (PP but don't read)
"Nitinol alloys exhibit shape memory AND superelasticity. Shape memory refers to recovering the metal's original un-deformed shape upon heating. Superelasticity however, "occurs at a narrow temperature range" and - get this - "NO HEATING is necessary to cause the un-deformed shape to recover." So, we ask, exactly how long has this stuff been around?
Well, Nitinol, by that name was more or less "discovered" during research in 1962, and not developed - that we know of - until a decade later, BUT the history of memory metals in general dates back - calling your attention to the red highlighted text - it turns out, to 1932 according to this same Wikipedia article on Nitinol.
This source says these properties were first observed in 1938, BUT also says no "serious research advances" were made until the 1960's. And again I'm going to suggest "none that WE know of." But hopefully you can see already that if we had aircraft flying around the U.S. that the general military, much less the general public, had no clue existed, how much of a stretch is it to wonder if the "memory metals" first discovered in the 1930's, might be making it into experimental crafts of the late 1940's? After all that's a full decade to have U.S. and later German scientists given access to the initial findings, and secret laboratories to work in and develop them. Nowdays we know it's pretty normal that any new discoveries or inventions that might have potential military applications are kept out of the realm of public knowledge until decades after the military has had first crack at maximizing the possibilities, before they're "seeded" into mainstream technology.
The metal from the 1947 Roswell Incident was reported by Jesee Marcel Sr and Jr to be unlike anything known at the time, which usually leads to the explanation "Well then it must be from outer space." Perhaps that's a further leap in logic than is actually necessary however, knowing now, that memory metals were first discovered in the 1930's.
Interesting twist - in just May 2009 well-known UFO reporter Billy Cox published an article revealing that the files relating to the history of memory metal's development in the 1940's are now missing (surprise!) from both the U.S. Air Force base and the Battelle Institute, both of which should have them. So I forward this article to Mike Heiser, who does some research
And Mike notes that "Billy Cox notes that
nitinol can also be linked to the Oak Ridge Laboratory — a place that plays
a key role in Nick Redfern’s book (the part about
radiation experiments on humans exposed to nuclear powered aircraft engines)
and Mike adds
"Billy details how Bragalia’s research uncovered
a USAF vet who “flew Gen. Laurence Craigie to Roswell during the furor over the
alleged UFO recovery” and how Craigie had an office at Wright-Patterson Air
Force Base in 1947, where everyone agrees the Roswell debris, whatever it was,
wound up. Cox then asks:
"...if, as skeptics contend, the thing that went down in Roswell was simply a classified but hardly exotic balloon project, why did Craigie make a hurried flight to New Mexico from Washington?
"Let me suggest an answer which doesn’t involve aliens" Mike writes "and which makes good sense in the context of what I suggested in the Facade and, more importantly, the work Nick Redfern has done: ]
> That perhaps General Craigie went because he knew of a highly-classified project involving a disc-shaped craft that employed the use of nitinol, a metal that had the properties described by Col. Marcel. When Craigie heard the reports and did the math, he knew that the project had to be kept under wraps and attention diverted."
So, keeping in mind the 1946 document which originated in Wright Field Ohio,
detailing the use of the Horten technology, the obvious question that has to be posed is, "Is the reason that the Roswell crash debris was taken to Wright Field Ohio in the first place, simply because THAT'S WHERE the top army brass who knew the WHOLE picture, actually worked out of?" To put it another way, "Is it possible that General Craigie just wanted his Nitinol back, before it fell into the hands of the 509th Nuclear Bomb technicians?" Or even, "Was the 1947 debris taken to Wright Field Ohio, because that's where some of the Nazi scientist were - as the Christina Gibson article detailed - who - crash and cover-up aside - still needed to document the effects of the nuclear test-flight on the bodies?"
Any or all of the above?
To finally close this out... In 1947 the general public and most of the military knew absolutely nothing about the exotic flying crafts the Germans had invented, or that the American government had in our possession and was working to replicate - and improve upon before the Russians could do so, and come over here and wipe us off the map. 1947 Americana citizens also knew nothing about the 1930's discovery of Memory Metals. In fact most of you probably didn't until today - even tho, if you wear eye-glasses - there could be some in your frames. And especially in 1947, American citizens would not have believed or even wanted to know that our own government was even remotely capable of FATALLY experimenting on its own citizens, for ANY reason. The possibility of such well-documented - now - atrocities didn't even enter their minds. Of course it wouldn't - we were the good guys, remember?
So when the Roswell Incident happened in 1947, none of what I've shared with you today was even remotely within the realm possibility to consider when faced with the facts 1947 witnesses had at hand.
PP== Image of small square box with "popular" Roswell ship and green alien, metal image from above, and Dennis artwork OUTSIDE of it
ALL people knew for 50 years was that an exotic ship made of an unheard-of type of metal, with strange bodies dying everywhere around it, crashed in the desert here, and that the government enforced a cover-up of never-before heard of proportions. You need to know that polls from the 1940's and 50's - unlike today - show that not 1 in 10 people believed life on other planets even existed, much less was visiting earth, like three-quarters plus believe today, according to polls. It took some pretty courageous people, thinking really outside the box, to even go on record as considering that the Roswell wreckage might be from another world. Anybody willing to think outside the box on this event for even the first 50 years of the cover-up, has always done so at the risk and personal expense of extensive ridicule - especially from their peers and family. The witnesses who have come forward over the decades and the researchers who have affiliated their good names with these stories are to be commended for their courage, in most cases, I'd say.
But I'm also finally suggesting that this proverbial box that people have been thinking outside of all this time, is today much larger than we ever previously thought.
PP== Large square box with Horten, Paperclip scientists, progeria kid, Rense page, INSIDE of it
I'm asking "Do we even have to go outside of the box - today - to account for the reported details of The Roswell Incident anymore?"
I want you to consider, that if everything we've discussed today WAS public knowledge in 1947, and the news got out that our government recovered a crashed flying saucer in the New Mexico desert and covered it up for some reason .. what do you think most people would have thought, then, if all this we've learned today were public knowledge in 1947? Perhaps something like "Oh it's just another one of those Stealthy Horten/Lippisch spin-off thingies they're working on over in White Sands to fight the Commies - Hope nobody got hurt." "What kind of "legs" do you think the alien theory would have gotten over the last 6 and a half decades IF the average American in 1947 knew about Operation Paperclip, or the fantastic Nazi flying machines?
Because the main strength behind the alien hypothesis of the 1947 Roswell Incident is not ANYTHING resembling PROOF of extraterrestrial activity, but has instead always been the belief that there's just simply "no other explanation" for the reported and undisputable facts, and extremely credible witness testimony.
I am gently, and humbly I hope, confronting that belief system today, and asking you to re-think the entire event yourself also, based on the preponderance of evidence made available to us all only very recently. I am today presenting to you that there are in fact many other possible explanations for all of the reported details of The Roswell Incident, and suggesting that it's time for us all to re-think what we think we know about this event.
The Roswell UFO Symposium this weekend contains at least two very important other lectures I also want to invite you to attend. Later today Alexander Rojas is presenting the lecture "Roswell's Effect on Culture and Media" and tomorrow Karyn Dolan is presenting "How The Roswell Incident Took Ufology To a New Level" - these will be very important presentations for understanding how massively huge the impact the Roswell Incident has had on our world today. And no doubt, The Roswell Incident is considered by millions, if not billions of people world-wide, to be the greatest "proof-text" for belief in life on other planets visiting here there is. Kinda like I say on the website, belief that the Roswell Incident was extraterrestrial in origin, is, to the entire global belief system that life exists on other planets, kind of like the Apostle Paul is to Christianity - the main and most influential early proponent of my personal belief system. It's also a lot like what both Apple and Microsoft Windows are to computers. Sure computers existed before Bill Gates got/stole the snazzy idea to make a graphic user interface, but it was a very tiny majority of the populace that "knew code" and how to use computers. They all wore white coats and had pocket protectors. Now everyone has a computer. But like Personal Computers are to the mainstream, belief in life on other planets is now also mainstream, thanks largely to what is popularly believed about the Roswell legend. But just as you hear out these upcoming lectures during this weekend's symposium, I'd encourage you to keep the question in the back of your mind "What if this is all based on a wrong idea?" You might further ask "What if it's all based on a deliberate lie?"
"And who's really behind perpetuating this belief system, still today, from behind closed doors? "And Why....?" are all questions that should be keeping some of us up at night I think. I can almost certainly guarantee you that it's nobody you or I voted for, or against.
Renee we have something for you, in recognition of all your hard work these past 4 years...
DVDs of this lecture available at http://www.TheInvisibleBattle.com
Because of time, had to cut
Overall I agree very whole-heartedly with what our next speaker, Dennis Balthaser, has said to me personally at another venue. He feels, and I agree, that whatever actually did happen here in 1947 was so well-covered up at the time, by security and threats to witnesses that were imposed immediately, combined with the fact that any and all records pertaining to not just the Roswell Incident itself, but to the entire 509th Roswell Army Air Field - where our nation's nuclear bombs and the Enola Gay were kept - somehow even those records have allegedly been lost, and probably destroyed ... it all argues for what Dennis says is the idea that this thing was so well covered up, and the very few people who understood the big picture from the top down at the time have been dead so long - I mean "Top Brass" was in their 30's and 40's at minimum, 65 years ago - that he said to me and I believe, that nobody alive today even really knows anymore what happened here in 1947. The records have in fact been destroyed, even the few military witnesses and participants alive today weren't that high-ranking at age 20 or 25 - they did what they were told, they were fed cover stories and lies, and were instructed to keep silent. So ALL that anyone is ever going to be able to tell you from here out, is a best-guess - based on research yes and second-hand accounts yes - but it's sad truth today to say that it's very unlikely that anyone ever will know the entire truth behind the Roswell Incident. And if someone were to come out now with authority or with government sanction, and tell you, or the world, that they indeed do know the truth - with all the official lies that have been told over the decades, we'd have absolutely no motivation to trust them. If that happened, you'd be smart to ask them, "Okay what's your angle?" or say "Well, I believe that you were told that information by someone higher than you, and that you honestly believe it to be true...
Thanks to Sam and Renee, honors
Ian says, "Some of these scientists who didn't end up in the U.S. or the
Soviets, ended up in Argentina"
Ferrel answers "at least 3 by name" but the real number is 50 or more
Ian: "We know that they were housing and
Michael Schratt presentation at MUFON LA
Courtesy Design video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IodzE5F4P4 Schratt Paranormal Matrix Video.. 2:14 - End?
Music videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9XsGB_Y1RQ
What I'm going to be proposing here today highly suggests that what actually crashed here in New Mexico in 1947 was a very classified type of man-made craft, designed by German scientists that our government secretly brought to the United States after World 2 in a program that would remain classified, and that the U.S. government had, yes, sufficient motivation to cover up the experimental technology perhaps, but that they had as much or even considerably more motivation in covering up the presence of these men here, on U.S. soil. Part of what I'm going to detail for you wasn't even declassified until 1973, and by then we were a pretty jaded culture by comparison. Today we're even more so, and we've become more and more aware of what atrocities governments are capable of. But if any of this got out in 1947, it would have potentially destroyed this nation... and whether it should have been done or not in the first place is highly debatable, but once I've shared with you JUST the parts that are NOW de-classified, you might even find yourself agreeing with the decision of our Post World War 2 government to cover up the details of the crash of 1947.
[On the same day that I captured that screenshot, I also googled just the term "Roswell UFO" - much more generic I think you'll agree, and this is how it was doing then...